Should Cho's high school classmates/bulliers feel guilty?

Article:


"Virginia gunman Cho Seumg-Hui had endured years of bullying at school as a teenager, said former classmates of the man who carried out the massacre of 32 people before killing himself.


The classmates said Thursday that Cho had a difficult time in school. He was pushed around and laughed at over his shyness and the strange way he talked, they said.


One fellow high school graduate said Cho almost never opened his mouth and would ignore attempts to strike up a conversation.


Once in English class, students laughed at Cho as he read, telling him to “Go back to China.”


Another graduate said friends of hers who went to middle school with Cho recalled he was picked on. She said the friends told her that people were really mean to Cho, pushing him down and laughing at him."





http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/World/20...





I don't think bullying is the reason he snapped, but it caused Cho to detach more fr society and internalize anger/pain/hate to the point of insanity.

Should Cho's high school classmates/bulliers feel guilty?
I think anyone who bullies another person in any situation should feel thoroughly ashamed of themselves.





What Cho did was extreme, and I don't think anyone else should feel responsible for that, but if they bullied him, or anyone else, they should be asking themselves a few questions.
Reply:i dont understand why he took it out on his college classmates when it was his middle school and high school teammates that bullied him.and he showed many MANY signs of mental illness:why wasnt he stopped sooner?? why didnt they realize sooner that he couldnt function in society???? Report It

Reply:OK man let me correct you. I am shy, a social outcast, and depressed during my high school years. But you lose shyness and when you go into the working world and become older you don't need to have friends as much. In college no one really bullies each other. I can see where you are coming from with this cleary but does that justify lighting up an innocent college classroom with bullets?
Reply:maybe a little





I wouldn't say that bullying was THE reason he snapped but just one factor that went into making this guy
Reply:he had other emotional and mental problems as well. say for a second he actually picked up a conversation. bullies tend to give up when whoever they are picking on actually responds to them and the bullieing isnt funny to them anymore. everyone is picked on at some point. find me one person who has never been insulted in their life and i will give you a million dollars. i for one was insulted quite often or bullied becasue i was quiet. shy, never really started conversations unless i knew the person well, and my behavior was often considered weird. yet here i sit, i grew out of it, am now actually quite popular, have many friends, and no desire to pick up a gun. the problem isnt that he was bullied, the problem is that nothing was done about it. he never himself sought out help to figure out how to deal with this. had his problems been addressed, it may not have come to this. like i said. poeple have been bullied. everyone has at some point in their life been called a name that wasnt needed. most people find a way to cope. those who dont end up doing something destructive, wheither it is to them selves or others. the problem was not the bullieing itself, the problem is that no one stopped it.
Reply:They should feel guilty for bullying him, but not for his subsequent actions.


I had a friend in college who was paranoiac. I didn't realize it at first, nor did I know much about psychology. He used to say, "I am a right wing extremist," which I though was odd; people don't call themselves that. But we were friends in spite of our differences; why not? I began to notice that others were hassling him some (well, its not unusual among young people) and I didn't approve. I saw that he became very upset. I'm sure none of us realized how fragile he was. Eventually his parents took him out of college. He never hurt anybody, though he angrily accused some of being "relativists" and "pragmatists." This didn't seem all that bizarre to me in a college freshman setting. I always felt proud that I was not one of those who upset him, but I certainly don't blame the others for causing his illness.
Reply:i bet Cho converted to islam and this was an act of terrorism......i bet Bin Laden is off in some tiny cave some where pumping his fist
Reply:Everyone in society enters into a social contract whether they choose to or not.





I think everyone would agree that bullying violates some principles of the social contract. Unfortuantely society does not protect people who are bullied. Cho felt that that the contract was broken.





Typically, people who break the social contract by commiting crimes are sent to jail by society. However, Cho had a more clever approach of killing himself, robbing society of reprisal.





In the end, there is no universal justice. If we want to prevent this from happening, we better stop outcasting people who are different. It is naive to think there is some better way to prevent this.





It is not an ethnic thing, or mental illness thing, or immaturity. Columbine, Oaklahoma City...everything tells us that this matter transcends race, culture, mental illness.





While certain subgroups may be more likely to commit violent crime, does it hurt us to deal with bullying in a severe manner?
Reply:no thats what they wanted him to do, bullies wanted to courrpt kid's life and they did it. I think they are very happy right now. Sick B@stards
Reply:Oh come on, how many on this board were bullied in school??????? How many have gone on a killing spree????? Dont use that as an argument for a defense!!!!!!
Reply:I feel that Cho's high school classmates should feel guilty for turning him into a psycho. As a former highschool loner, I don't understand the logic behind people allowing this poor kid to suffer to the breaking point and not lifting a finger to help him when he was still a teenager. Isn't everybody supposed to be born different? You can't expect him to speak up if nobody wants to listen to him. Bullying is a complete evil in school and more programs should be implemented to prevent it. Of course, I don't believe the bullies are responsible for the murders. Cho should be held accountable for those actions. Furthermore, the fact that he was ridiculed because of his ethnicity prompts me to believe that the kids in school are predominantly Caucasian and have no desire to contact with other people outside of their race or ethnicity. Look at our country's history, from the mistreatment of black people and Indians in 19th century to the Iraq War. Where is the moral value in owning a gun? Guns kill lives. That's the bottom line. I don't understand the logic of these "r_d_k" conservatives. What have you all learned in church, to pretend to believe in God? Didn't the church teach you all how to be tolerant of others?
Reply:Yes, you are right.....Cho Seung-Hui was picked on, pushed around and laughed at over his shyness and the strange way he talked when he was a schoolboy.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=...





People get dumped on every day but they do not become mass murderers, they learn to cope. It is part of growing up.





You say that you do not think that bullying is the reason he [Cho] snapped, but it caused Cho to detach from from society and internalize anger/pain/hate to the point of insanity.





You are right. BUT.... it is not the fault of the bullying....it is the fault of Cho for not coping with it...





Life is not fair. A person can only control his own reaction not what other people do to him. You know... the serenity prayer....





God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference. Living one day at a time.





The people who go through 12-step programs learn to cope with all their problems because of learning that principle.





I was teased a lot when I was a kid. I cried. I learned. I struggled. I became stronger. I forgave. I did not keep the anger, resentment and "feel sorry for me" attitude.





Soooo many people tried to help Cho. He would not let them.





Lucinda Roy, the Director of Creative Writing, urged him to go to counselking ....but he would not go.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007...


“I kept saying, ‘Please go to counseling; I will take you to counseling,’ because he was so depressed,” Roy said. But “I was told [by counselors] that you can’t force anybody to go over ... so their hands were tied, too.”





Cho was jealous of those who were richer and privileged.


In his video rant that he mailed to NBC Cho said,


"You had everything you wanted. Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats? Your golden necklaces weren't enough, you snobs? Your trust fund wasn't enough? Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats. Your golden necklaces weren't enough, you snobs. Your trust fund wasn't enough. Your vodka and cognac wasn't enough. All your debaucheries weren't enough. Those weren't enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything."


The package was said to include an 1,800-word manifesto-like incoherant rambling in which Cho expresses rage, resentment and a will to get even.


http://www.denverpost.com/browning/ci_56...





Cho snapped from HIS reaction to adversity. He ruminated. He felt he deserved to be treated better.
Reply:bullying is a part of school he couldn't deal with it that's why he snapped the bulliers shouldn't feel guilty, I mean this may be a little too early after the fact to say this but he should have took it like a man instead of what he did I've been called worse things because I go to a school where the majority is of hispanic descent and I'm white so you can imagine where this is leading... I get called Nazi **** like that of which none of it true, shoved, spat on, hell I even had the crap beat out of me, the point is he should of toughened up and took it better





People don't pick on me anymore because I've actually gotten to know some of them and even made friends with quite a few of em'...
Reply:It's really easy to think that some factors pushed Cho to kill people. He was just wired the wrong way since birth. Even his family says that he was quiet even at home so he was a real loner from the start. I believe that people have been born with minds that are like that. Whatever you do.. Nothing's gonna change that. I just hope that he was bullied enough and he had a terrible life to compensate with what he have done. I hope that he suffers in hell or that his karma was equivalent to what he has done.
Reply:Should they feel guilty? NO, no, no. Everybody at some point has hurt someones feeling. Called them a mean name, talked behind their back, pushed them around. Does it mean it's there fault if that person goes crazy and shoots 32 people. NO!
Reply:that's the reason ur saying is to kill fellow college students , ok noway , his roomates said they tried talking to him but he never would . i don't bellieve the arguement you made justifys his actions
Reply:I don't care what they feel and you shouldn't either.
Reply:YES CAUSE THEY MADE IN TURN TO THE POINT WHERE HE KILLED 32 PEOPLE AND HIMSELF! THEIR FRIENDS %26amp; PROFESSORS WOULDN'T BE DEAD KNOW IF IT WASN'T FOR THEM!!!!!!!!
Reply:yes and no.


its always bad to bully and to pull someone down.


but,


cho had some promblems


he coudlve told someone or do something to prevent but he didnt. he also was wrong to express anger in a violent way.


but still we should never bully to the point of making the person emotionally sad.
Reply:I think everyone feels terrible regardless of their involvement/attatchment in what happened.
Reply:absolutely ..... I think that is what started the whole thing


isolation, rejection from peers, etc. took over and he blew


in the video it's apparent that he felt as if he were being bullied or something ~ I think we all need to be a little kinder
Reply:yes why do you think it happen why do you think columbine happen of course remember what eminem said in i am "when the kids getting bullied in school an he shoots up the school" im suprised they didnt blame it on rap like they always do thats why he gained so much hatred and it caused him to do that after so many years of being bullied,and that tape they keep on showing of him,if tv was really smart they quit showing the tape for the victims parents
Reply:Partially...





I've heard many people have made attempts to build a friendship with him (which I applaud) but he shot them down.





I think the ones that ridiculed and tortured him should feel EXTREME guilt. (Not just those bullies... bullies around the world!)





In my opinion, I think Cho Seung-Hui was just sentencing himself to solitary for life.
Reply:That's just liberal brainwashing. The guy was mentally ill. If he wasn't he wouldn't have gone on the rampage.
Reply:Speaking as someone who has been ridiculed because of shyness in the past, i say: Cho did not have to do what he did. He could have got help. He could have fought to overcome his problem. People attempted to strike up a friendship with him at virginia tech - they could have helped him, but he ignored their overtures. He could have graduated, i'm sure he would have turned out better than the lot who bullied him.
Reply:heck no!





don't fall for that liberal guilt crap. don't blame the victims (by proxy in this case), blame Cho. lots and lots of kids are bullied... but they grow up fine and go on with life. unfotunatley, liberal society taught Cho to lash out and look what we got.